YouTube Video Thief Is Making Money With AdSense On Stolen Videos
Right now on October 09, 2013 a thief of well over 500 YouTube videos re-uploaded to YouTube is making money with AdSense ads on them. All or most of the stolen videos were re-uploaded 2 weeks ago. It could be close to 3 weeks ago since YouTube is not exact on that unless you go deeper and look for the upload date details.
Right now YouTube owned by Google is supporting the thief. My question is why with all the algorithms they can’t detect and check out a channel to which hundreds of videos have been uploaded within a day or even a week.
Since it’s near impossible, more impossible than even remotely possible to contact YouTube and Google and get any reply from them, video thieves appear in fact to be supported more than the video creators who are being robbed.
I am the original video creator and I am being robbed right now.
Over 500 of my videos have been stolen from YouTube and re-uploaded to YouTube.
I have tried to contact YouTube. Going to YouTube and to their help page is largely useless in this case. There is a form they have where you can list one by one the videos that have been stolen from you and re-uploaded. You have to fill out a lot of details and check out that you agree with everything that they warn you about.
Then you have to list each video URL that was stolen and illegally re-uploaded. Try that with almost 600 videos. You also have to add the URL of your original video. It’s a time consuming run around when that many videos are involved.
There is no slot or box in that form to add any remark, like being able to say that a particular channel has stolen all the videos that are in it.
Sending a suggestion to YouTube-Google is possible but you are warned that there will be no response.
Good luck with sending an email to them to any of their email addresses. I have done that and so far have never received any response. Will it be different this time?
I have received an automated reply that they have received my email with a warning that most likely I’ll receive no other response from them and that I should seek help through their help page. It’s an endless loop and it shows that they care very little if at all.
In the meantime Google is sharing the money that the thief is making from my videos. The thief gets about 70% and Google 30%. Something like that anyway.
I will update this post when I see some action taken on this by YouTube-Google.
I’m not holding my breath though. If they do nothing for longer than 3 or 4 days I will mention that in the update.
Update: October 10, 2013
I have tweeted Matt Cutts of Google at 11:41 a.m. PT. You can see the tweet below:
@mattcutts YouTube-Goofgle supports YT video thief making money with AdSense on stolen videos. Can you do something about that?
I made a typo and somehow I missed that until the tweet went already out. I typed Goofgle instead of Google. It was unintentional but when I noticed it it actually made me giggle. They do goof at times don’t they?
Then at 10:45 a.m. Pacific Time I tweeted YouTube at the suggestion of Glenn who commented on this post.You can see the tweet below. Notice that I have now typed Google instead of Goofgle. That tweet you can see below:
@YouTube YouTube-Google supports YT video thief making money with AdSense on stolen videos. Can you do something about that?
If you want to help, please find those tweets and re-tweet them. You could even copy them and send them to @mattcutts and @YouTube so that they will get the message for sure.
My email to YouTube which I sent late afternoon yesterday and to which I got automated response that they received it has not otherwise been responded to yet.
Update October 11, 2013: I have sent email to 2 more YouTube email addresses and one AdSense email address. From two of them I received automatic reply that they don’t respond by email. From one YouTube address I have yet not received any reply, not even an automatic one which I took as a good sign since from all the other 3 addresses the automatic reply came immediately.
At around 12:30 PT I left a voice mail message on a YouTube phone number with a perpetual voice mail that no-one can answer the phone right now and that you’ll be served faster by going to their website. Right, you can enter the perpetual loop there.
While I was chatting on Facebook with a friend about this horror story she discovered that the thief’s YouTube channel was just suspended. That’s a great news. I don’t know yet what helped to shut the thief down. I have not heard from anybody so far.
I suspect it was one of my emails that finally got read by a person at YouTube or Google.
It could have also come about as a response to my phone message. They have not called me but they can find out what my account is by the phone number I left. In the message I described the problem and they then could have checked it out and take action.
I have also replied to one of Matt Cutt’s tweets but I doubt that he did anything. If he did I think he’d let it be known.
I want to thank everybody, to all my friends and strangers that were helpful with their tweets, Facebook likes, doing bookmarking of my post etc. I am very grateful to you for caring.
If and when I find out how my message got through to YouTube-Google I will post it inside this post under another update. All my readers deserve to know what, if anything, works in this case.
If you have a YouTube channel, please be very attentive and watchful to make sure nobody is stealing your videos. I have found my own videos copied, stolen and re-uploaded to YouTube with AdSense ads on them. These stolen videos were in some cases placed above my original videos even though the thief had no descriptions for them. The only reason why the stolen videos were above my original videos, some of which were uploaded years ago and have tens of thousands views, is probably the fact that the thief put AdSense ads on them and Google was sharing the profits with him. (My own AdSense account was disabled by lovely Google because some hater click-bombed my channel for a day or two. The two appeals that I made got only canned automated negative response).
The thief stole 571 of my videos and re-uploaded them to YouTube within a day or a maximum of a week. It boggles my mind that YouTube-Google doesn’t watch for this. Google punishes websites that add content too quickly and yet the same Google who owns YouTube can’t detect a channel that has just opened and that uploads hundreds of videos per day.
Then Google profits from the AdSense ads that are put on the stolen videos.
Through my investigation of this and trying to get hold of YouTube or Google I have found again that getting in touch with support at this huge company is getting worse. It is virtually an impossibility.
For example the YouTube email partner-support@youtube.com will send you an automatic reply saying that they no longer reply to emails sent there.
There is a link in that automated email through which I found that even if you are a YouTube partner, you cannot get email support unless your channel is getting over 15,000 hours of views in 90 days. That works out to be 7 hours of views for each hour, 24 hours a day. Most YouTube channels and YouTube partners are thus ignored and can’t get any email support from YouTube. That is a very sad state of affairs at YouTube-Google.
Below is the continuation of my post which I wrote initially before the updates.
In the meantime YouTube-Google are supporting the thief and placing the videos which were stolen from me in the recommended videos on other peoples channels and in the search results and on the right hand side below the videos that people are watching, sometimes higher in the results then my original videos. That is because I do not have AdSense ads on my videos and the thief has placed AdSense ads on the videos stolen from me.
YouTube-Google is thus in a partnership with the YouTube video thief. They probably aren’t doing it knowingly but the fact is that they are doing it right now.
What do you think about the state of the affairs with YouTube-Google? Do you think this is right, the way Google makes it impossible to be communicated with and how they ignore people?
Did you ever get any other reply from Google or YouTube other than an automated canned reply which is useless?
Why do you think it is that Google punishes honest people for no reason and rewards thieves, like in this case and commits other injustices in spite of their motto “Do no evil”?
What could be done to make YouTube-Google come to their senses and to start treating honest people correctly and to stop partnering with thieves?
Please add any other thoughts and suggestions and like this post on Facebook, google+ it, tweet it, bookmark it and send the link to it by email to your friends who care.
The more people know about this and express their views the better chance that things will change.
Evil should not triumph over YouTube-Google for obvious reasons and also because of their motto “Do no evil” which they may have stopped using by now. Otherwise it will be very similar to what was happening not so long ago when evil totalitarian states were calling themselves democratic.
Will you like this on Facebook, google+ it tweet it etc? Please do.
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Authored by Vance Sova
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Hi Vance,
I’m really sorry to hear about the problems you’re having, that’s really appalling and unacceptable. This sort of thing makes my blood boil!
I view Google very much as a necessary evil, a means to an end. YouTube used to be fantastic before Google got their hands on it and since then it’s gone downhill tremendously. I love YouTube for the users (the decent ones at least) and the content they publish, but as for YouTube itself, I now feel cheated, let down, ignored and unimportant. This once-great giant has now become just another corporate mess.
It might be worth you getting in touch with DMCA.com, if you haven’t already. And ensure that, whatever action you take isn’t taken soley against the thief but also against YouTube/Google since, as you rightly point out, they are indirectly a party to the offense.
I would also suggest getting the word out on social media as much as possible, especially tagging them in Twitter. Don’t just mention their name, the grievance or a link to your post here – ensure that you actually “@” them in your tweets. I’ve found that companies are usually VERY quick to suddenly find a way to take notice of you and address your concerns when they find that the grievance is publicised with their tag attached to it.
Finally, forget trying to e-mail them or fill in forms. This is futile. Contact them directly and don’t allow them to fob you off. Whatever ‘policies’, ‘procedures’ or other such kop-outs they may try to stumble you with are irrelevant. This is YOUR content, and it is up to THEM to get it sorted and, frankly, to darn well do as they are told! It’s not down to you to jump through hoops. Be firm with them and state to them clearly what you expect from them, a deadline for it to be resolved and what your next course of action will be if they don’t comply. Telephoning in the hope of a swift response is fine but ultimately, whatever you do, always give them an ultimatum in writing.
And if you don’t have the details already, here are their direct contacts details:
YouTube, LLC
901 Cherry Ave.
San Bruno, CA 94066
USA
Telephone: +1 650-253-0000
I really hope you get this resolved ASAP, mate.
Kind regards,
Glenn
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Vance Reply:
October 10th, 2013 at 2:25 am
Hi Glenn,
Thank you very much for your comment and support. I’m shocked with how YouTube can actually place the stolen and re-uploaded videos putting them above my own videos as recommended videos and above my originals in the search results. And Google allows the thief to make money through AdSense Ads from which they get their share of profit.
The stolen videos are more important to Google because they now make money from them. I, as the original creator, don’t seem to matter to them at all. I have become garbage to them. That kind of a system is unbelievable. I am the one who has to prove everything to them and I am being cautioned that my YouTube channel may be closed and I have to acknowledge that before I can even make a copyright violation claim. It is the thief who gets a free and rewarding ride.
I, the true creator of the original videos, am being shafted, put aside, ignored and made to jump through hoops. This is all upside down and backwards.
If you don’t mind clarifying a bit what I should put in the tweets about this. I am not familiar with doing @ tweets. My understanding is that I would make a tweets with @youtube and put something in them that would hopefully catch their attention. I am not sure what that might be though.
The fact is that the email I sent to YouTube yesterday afternoon was acknowledged by an automatic response. I think that is all I’ll ever hear from them. Can you give an example of a tweet which a real person might actually read at YouTube or Google and be moved to give a proper response to?
I feel very hopeless and shocked by the whole thing right now and can’t think of anything that I’d feel might be effective.
Again, thank you very much for your supportive comment.
Please stay in touch and have a great day.
Vance.
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mickel happy Reply:
January 7th, 2014 at 12:33 am
yeh u right, i guess Google haven’t find a solution for this problem, but video owners can do a few tricks to protect their videos: like uploading videos with their own watermark, it works for me.
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Google/ Youtube already forced my name change. Tonight I refused it again but this time it went ahead and signed me out of my youtube account. NOW I CAN’T GET BACK INTO MY CHANNEL!!!! The only way I can use youtube is by my REAL NAME. I don’t want the WHOLE WORLD knowing my real name. I WANT MY PROFILE BACK. Does anyone know how to do this?
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Vance Reply:
October 10th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Hi,
I have no idea what can be done in your case. I hope that you will get the right answers. I don’t really understand why you want to hide your identity but if you already had an account under whatever name they shouldn’t be forcing you to change it unless they have a really good and valid reason. What did they tell you if anything?
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You just need to put something that states the problem you’re having and make sure that you include “@youtube”. So for example, maybe something along the lines of, “@youtube happy to make money off my stolen content whilst threatening to close my account”. I’m not saying that you should necessary put that, it’s just an example.
I can’t guarantee that they will respond, but this sort of approach usually attracts attention and companies hate it because of the potential for the bad publicity quickly going viral.
As I mentioned in my previous reply, you’re unlikely to get any joy from e-mailing. You absolutely have to contact them directly either by written letter or by telephone with a follow-up letter. Using their online messaging facilities makes it far too easy for them to just drag their feet or ignore you altogether. Actually contacting them directly gives them no excuse not to respond, plus you will have a paper-trail.
Remember – THEY are the ones who are providing a service, THEY are the ones who are entrusted with YOUR content and it is THEY who are obligated to get this sorted out and quickly. Take the fight directly to them, don’t allow them to try to hide or give you excuses and don’t allow them to attempt to wriggle out of doing something about it and doing it quickly. YOU are the authoritative party in this matter, NOT them.
Don’t hesitate to get in touch if I can assist further 🙂
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Vance Reply:
October 10th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Dear Glenn,
Thank you very much for the great response. I have now tweeted YouTube and also Matt Cutts of Google. You can see the tweets in the update of this blog post. If you don’t mind I’d like to ask you to retweet those and send @mattcutts and @YouTube copies of those tweets or something similar so that they start paying attention.
I have called YouTube late afternoon yesterday and they had a voice message there that they are too busy and can’t talk and that it will be faster to seek help on their site. Right, getting into that endless loop with no real response.
I do appreciate your help and please keep in touch.
Vance.
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It might be worth you getting in touch with DMCA.com, if you haven’t already. And ensure that, whatever action you take isn’t taken soley against the thief but also against YouTube/Google since, as you rightly point out, they are indirectly a party to the offense.
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Vance Reply:
October 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Thank you very much Rashad. I will seriously consider doing that. I will give them a reasonable time to respond. Less than an hour ago I tweeted Matt Cutts of Google @mattcutts and just after that to YouTube @YouTube. I want to believe that they are decent people and that they will take the right action. If they still ignore it after having had enough time to respond then I’ll probably do what you suggest.
Thanks again,
Vance.
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Glenn Shepherd Reply:
October 10th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
lol, actually that was my suggestion as, for some reason, he’s just copied & pasted what I wrote earlier! But that’s okay, so long as the information benefits you, that’s the main thing 🙂
If you don’t get a quick, no-hassle resolution with what you’ve done so far then your next step really needs to be a written letter giving them an ultimatum. I find also that mentioning the national press often gets good results 😉
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Vance Reply:
October 11th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Hi Glenn,
I’m not sure if you are talking about me when you say he copied and pasted what I wrote earlier. I have done no copying and pasting from what you wrote and I gave you a credit for what you kindly suggested inside of my post update. Just to make things clear.
Thank you again for your support and helpful suggestions.
I will now do a second update of the post. The thief’s YT channel has just been suspended.
Cheers,
Vance
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Glenn Shepherd Reply:
October 16th, 2013 at 2:56 am
Hey Vance,
No, I was referring to the post from Rashad Rais. His suggestion wasn’t actually his. He had simply copied & pasted the following from my original comment at the beginning of the thread: “It might be worth you getting in touch with DMCA.com, if you haven’t already. And ensure that, whatever action you take isn’t taken soley against the thief but also against YouTube/Google since, as you rightly point out, they are indirectly a party to the offense.”
Don’t worry, I wasn’t looking for credit. I just thought you should know that he wasn’t writing his own reply to you but rather he was copying & pasting content from me that was already posted, probably just so that he could get a backlink. It’s clear that you didn’t realise but I thought that you’d want to know.
I’m glad you’ve had a positive result with the thief’s channel being suspended. Hopefully this will be the end of it and you won’t have any more problems. It would definitely be interesting to know what actually prompted YouTube to take action. I did flag the thief’s channel myself so if a few people did that too then maybe it got YouTube to take a look at it.
Regards,
Glenn
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Vance Reply:
October 30th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Hey Glenn,
Thank you for the clarification. I don’t know why I didn’t understand what you were referring to in the first place. I think I was too upset with being used by the thief and Google.
Although the thief was shut down in this case I have heard from nobody at Google. No apology and no acknowledgment of their mistake. They continue to be anonymous monster with no ears and no human touch. They do not admit to anything they do wrong. They don’t allow people to communicate with them.
I have done everything to get my message to them. I have sent email to any possible email address connected with Google and I have phoned them too. Of course there was no live person to answer any phone but I have on one occasion succeeded in leaving a voice message. I think it’s superfluous to say here that nobody has called me back to address the problem which I described in my phone message.
Only one of the emails that I sent didn’t get an automated reply that nobody would reply to my email. Perhaps it was that email message that they have read. Or it was the phone message I left that made them act. But I’ll never know because they have remained completely silent.
I was hoping to be able to let other people know what works if they face a problem like this but it seems that Google wants to keep hiding from responsibility and from people that they do wrong to.
Thank you very much for your support and keep in touch. If I ever find out more about this I will write an update on my blog.
I believe that this post will be at the bottom of Google search results. They apparently don’t want people to know about issues like this.
I would love to be able to write something positive about them but I’d have to invent a story and enter the realm of fiction to do that.
Take care,
All the Best,
Vance.
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great investigation it is accurately right on how you tube recycle the videos and upload them fresh was not aware of this thanks for valuable and informative post
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Hi Vance, it is one of the worst things about Google. When you try to run a business with all good intentions Google stands there watching you waiting for the right time to catch you. And when it comes to these thieves, Google turns a deaf year.
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Vance Reply:
October 30th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Hi Paul,
You said it very well. They have no ears apparently. Only hands to collect profits and to punch innocent people. They seem to like thieves better than honest people. When they (Google) make a mistake there is no apology, nothing. When an honest content creator makes a mistake they punch them hard and show no mercy.
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Wow, I didn’t know that this type of theft was still so abundant. I know from the websites I work with that to catch dodge websites out in Google rankings, it still takes Google a few weeks or so.
Thanks,
Devin
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Vance Reply:
October 30th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Hi Devin,
It seems that Google is more interested in going after honest people when they make the slightest mistake. Blatant thieves aren’t noticed by them. They could easily have an algorithm for this. This thief stole 571 of my videos and Google let him place Adsense ads on them. It’s a pathetic state of affairs. If I hadn’t noticed this and didn’t take a massive action to correct it, both the thief and Google would be still making money on my videos and probably laughing.
Although this got someone’s attention at Google because I have done everything possible to get them to notice and the thief was closed down, I have not heard from anybody from that company at all, not even a peep. So I don’t know for sure which action that I took got their attention. That is not helping anybody. Why don’t they admit their mistake and at least let it be known what is the best way to deal with a situation like this.
Google prefers to reward the thieves and themselves and to frustrate the content creators from which they make money all day long.
Thanks for your comment.
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I see this so often with these “too” large companies! In the netherlands its all the same when you want to bu something thay are all friendly and nice but whenever you want to end your contract or have complains you can’t rach them. Think Google is no different. And indeed why can’t google figure out the original video it shouldn’t be to hard to detect similar video’s automatically by their upload date? On the other side Google should not have to do this if there were not so many “bad” people walking around? What are they thinking, its hard to understand… Hope they get with a structural solution for this type of problems soon! But I gues it’s the same with illigal copywrites on profesional movies and video games everything gets ripped. Ferdi out…
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Hi Vance, I can very well understand what you must be going through. I agree with Paul, it is the innocent people who pay heavily because of making mistakes. But when it comes to handling these thieves Google’s penalties are nowhere to be seen.
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Wow! That is insane what you are dealing with. I’ve always heard that Google’s Adsense program is policed pretty well. I’m surprised that they have let this go on so long?
Did you ever get an update from Cutts?
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Vance Reply:
December 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Hi Rob,
No, I never heard from anybody but I think that they got my message and shut down the thief. Unfortunately they don’t bother communicating with anybody.
Vance.
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This problem of not responding to messages users seems that is typical of almost all large companies,it is good that the problem was solved even without notice to you and a giant like Google is a little strange that not have a program that can detect when someone tried to steal another person’s work.
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With all these chaos going on what are the probable solutions we have to come up with? I just wonder how are we going to chase down those thieves. I personally have made my own videos, and I don’t know when are they going to attack me and steal my own video. Somebody has to do something about it. This made me worry too.
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This is very disconcerting to hear, I hope it has been resolved and the guilty party squarly behind bars.
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Google’s No Evil policy is more like a concept that everyone believed when they started. However, so many years passed and a lot of new guys joined the company. I’m not sure if this is still a valid image for Google. They need to start pushing things back again to the right direction.
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Vance Reply:
January 10th, 2014 at 12:58 am
Hi Kathy,
They certainly do evil things and it’s hard to know if on purpose or not. But they make no effort to get in touch with those that they do damage to. Quite the opposite. They are making sure that nobody can contact them easily if at all.
I hope that they can change for the better but with their position in the market they likely feel like they can get away with anything. For that reason I’m not holding my breath.
It would be as nice surprise if they started upholding the No Evil policy though.
Thanks for the visit and cool comment.
Cheers,
Vance.
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Hello,
Very informative post, i have never paid attention this kind of incidents happens, thanks for making aware of us. I appreciate your efforts for not giving up & very happy for you finally got the justice.
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Aweakening article to keep in mind whats thiefs might do!
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I would have thought that the PANDA and PENGUIN updates can ferret out bad link-building practices, then a similar tool aimed at YouTube could throw up red flags of this kind.
It has been a while since you wrote this post, Vance. Did you have any updates?
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I agree that, it is the innocent people who pay heavily because of making mistakes. But when it comes to handling these thieves Google’s penalties are nowhere to be seen.
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Vance Reply:
May 22nd, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Thank you very much Neeraj. Nothing happened to the thief accept that they finally cancelled his or her account. If I hadn’t tracked the thief down, who knows if they’d ever did that and didn’t keep paying him and themselves from the ads on the videos that were stolen from me.
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That sucks. To be honest i think google are just as bad the other sites. For example them “watch movie website” online are getting shut down even file hosting sites are because users are uploading movies on there, and the file hosting sites are getting shut down and fined millions. But if you go onto youtube now and type in “full movie” there are thousands of full movies on there. So why is Youtube not getting fined for this..
Dan
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Vance Reply:
May 22nd, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Thanks Dan.
As bad as they can be, you can be sure that they will take down any movies that shouldn’t be there when they find out. It happens all the time. People upload stuff that they shouldn’t. The thing with the thief was just too much though and in that case they should have been able to find him out and take him down right away instead of putting Adsense adds on the stolen videos. That was insane and careless of them.
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This paper will be quoted relentlessly in the future as it provides a solid foundation on which others will lay their bricks.
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As a youtube user and uploader, I am shocked google and youtube both allow these. Seriously, this boils my blood.
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Vance,
that’s so crazy! Wow, I’m really sorry you have to go through this. I hope YouTube (Google) helps you get your money.
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Oh i never knew about this. thank you for your post!
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2017 – not much changed , well the thieves i took down , by the way guys , if you see a channel with stolen videos , you only have to report( First 6)
and later 12 until the channel was taken down ..
I feel that people at Youtube have their own networks and if you don wanna join them
you will not grow even do you have 20K subs they keep it down , how can someone have the same views everyday ,
and never more or less, because it’s faked tricked and scammed .
I feel personally after all these years that also the copyright is a scam.
They allow opensource to be copyrighted , the y steal from opensource.
ASlso they I think have people , mostly their own kids , spamming and hating on content creators
also stealing your video then change it around with some effects , turn up the sound to the max so it sounds like crap and then call it
some offend against the creator of the video , so rightful owner takes video down ,
then the thief makes a complain give a false name and adres + phone number to copyright center
and then they come ask the content maker for proof , so Content maker tells the corrupt guy at Copyright
that the name number and adres is fake , instead of Youtube getting back to the thief and channel mollester
they don’t even give a respons on what I got from the police , and ask again for proof.
How can we start a case if we get false information of Youtube copyright , the thief molester is in USA ,
but they tell me he live in Netherlands ..so I feel the guy at copyright and the thief kid , work together to kill certain channels they don’t want anymore, youtube is a scam , really ,
So what can Yu do?
Nada kill yourself just like the people they send say to the content creators , get cancer , kill yourself..
Yourube don’t give a shit about us,
They are a HUGE scam , you cannot depend on them and they only think of money and stealing or giving false names , wont
get you banned from that platform if daddy or uncle works at Youtube..That is just how it is,.
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